The Tim O’Reilly is our first guest, ostensibly to talk about Dune, but we end up talking about much more, including mysticism, poetry, philosophy, leadership, and our responsibility as humans to transcend our limits.

I’ve listened to this episode countless times as I’ve edited it and it is such a gift. I’m really grateful to Tim for doing it with me.

A few notes and links:

• Frank Herbert, by Tim O’Reilly
• Many of the works Tim mentions in this post are mentioned in this blog post: Books That Have Shaped How I Think
• At about 12:10, Tim mentions a passage about how Lao Tzu lists the attributes of a wise man, one of which is “roiled as a torrent.” He explains this beautiful image in more detail in this blog post titled Knowing When to Let Go.
• The Man Watching by Rainer Maria Rilke
• Jacob Wrestling with the Angel by Eugène Delacroix.